Natural Remedies

Dog With Chronic Dermatitis Mange Or Yeast

Posted by Nicole (Greenville Mi ) on 10/23/2014

I have a 5 yr old collie that has had many many episodes of dermatitis. He becomes red, itchy, dandruff, raw ect.. He is miserable and I feel so bad. Every time I have taken him to the vet she said "nondescript dermatitis". What does that even mean? She would give him prednisone and a antibiotic and I would end up paying upwards of $200 each time for only a few weeks of relief. We have been battling fleas bad this year but my other dog does not have any issues. Yes I am still finding fleas. But I am thinking my collies issue is more of a yeast type infection. Ever since we adopted him almost 4 yrs ago from a humane society, he would become corn chip smelling with in two days of a bath. I have tried many many things and nothing seems to work. Which of the dips you have outlined on here would you suggest to try first?

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
10/23/2014

Hey Nicole!

Some dogs are just "allergy" dogs. The corn chip smell could be yeast, could be the result of feeding the wrong diet, could be just him.

Since you suspect yeast, I agree. You might consider Ted's Anti-fungal/Anti-staph dip. Ideally you bathe the dog with shampoo, rinse well and squeeze out any water, and then dip the dog for 20 minutes in the solution and then allow to air dry in an empty crate with no bedding for half an hour. This allows the solution to penetrate and work - it stops working when it is dry.

When I have used this dip, sometimes I can't let the dog air dry in a crate - sometimes I wrap them in a towel to sit damp in the crate and then blow dry. Sometimes I just dry the dog without sitting for half an hour wet. If this were the mange remedy I would follow the directions to a T, but with the yeast remedy I am a bit more flexible.

The dip is as follows - large batch for large hairy dog:

You will need 2 brown bottles of hydrogen peroxide [16oz bottles of 3% hydrogen peroxide solution from the grocery store or drug store] - and 3/4 cup EACH Milk of Magnesia, Epsom Salts and Borax. Dump the hydrogen peroxide into an empty gallon jug, and then reuse the hydrogen peroxide bottles to measure out 64 ounces of plain water [in other words, refill each brown bottle twice]. Now add your MoM, Epsom salts and Borax. what I usually do is fill the bathtub with warm water and sit the jug of solution in the water so it warms up while I am giving my dog a bath in the tub. Rinse the dog well, squeeze out excess water from the coat, put the stopper in the tub and then shake your gallon jug to make sure the solution is mixed and them pour over your dog. I use a plastic cup to scoop up the solution from the bottom of the tub and repour over the dog - do this for 20 minutes. After this you can let the dog shake, and then allow him to air dry for half an hour, and then finish him off by blowing him out and brushing him out.

Now, fleas are attracted to one dog over the other because he is more attractive to the fleas than the other dog. His energy field is out of wack, calling the fleas to him like the Pied Piper. He may need to balance his PH - you can alkalize his water by adding 1 teaspoon of baking soda to 1 liter of his drinking water and do this for 5 days. This will not hurt the other dog. If you did nothing else, do the baking soda water. After 5 days you can reduce down to 1/2 teaspoon per liter and then after another week to 1/4 teaspoon as a maintenance dose.

You can also try this regime, paraphrased from Ted circa 2006: . If you are dealing with yeast try adding 1/16 teaspoon of epsom salt in 1 liter of drinking water for 2-3 days - max; this is not intended for long term use, just to nip a break out in the bud. When you stop the epsom salt in the water you can then start adding 1 teaspoon baking soda to 1 liter of water; do this for 5-7 days. This is a 'break out' or crisis dose. After a week you can cut it back to a maintenance dose of 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda to the water. If you suspect a fungal component you can add 1/16 teaspoon borax along with the baking soda in 1 liter of water. In acute and extreme cases 1/4 teaspoon of borax in 1 liter of water is indicated. Many humans take 1/8 - 1/4 teaspoon borax in 1 liter of water daily as a detox and antifungal/antiyeast, so long term use is not an issue, however all these remedies are something you should 'play by ear' and should be adjusted as you see fit.

Now, lastly what are you feeding? If you have fed the same diet for some time you might consider switching it up - so if you have fed a beef based diet go to another good brand and try the duck diet - it could just be one ingredient in the current diet disagrees with your one dog, and that the other dog would have no problem with any diet you fed! So consider switching diets to see if there is an improvement.

Replied by Nicole
Greenville Mi
10/23/2014

Plus what I forgot.. he does have black patches of skin as well as hair loss.

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
10/23/2014

Hey Nicole!

Black patches are consistent with yeast and hair loss consistent with scratching and possible staph infection. The remedy I provided to you is effective on both, and can be used in the ears as well.

Replied by Nicole
Greenville, Mi
10/23/2014

Thank you. He is not a long haired collie. Washington is a smooth collie and my other is a pit/coon hound mix. Yes Jasp seems to not have issues with anything but rolling in scat. lol As for wash, we have gone through many foods and finally just settled on a salmon based grain free from TSC stores called 4 health. I have real issues with how some of the foods out there are made and what's in them. I have seriously been debating going totally off premade foods and doing wild game with potato/rice/sweet potato, some sort of starch component and both my boys love veggies. I will deff start the water change today and then when I go in to town later I will get the peroxide as I am out, So we can get him bathed. how often should I bathe him?

Replied by Theresa
Mpls., Mn
10/23/2014

Hey Nicole!

The solution has a working effect of 24 hours. if you see that he acts relieved after the first dip, you might try every few days - when he starts scratching up again, you know its time to bathe him.

I'm with you on home made diets - and not quite there yet either! But it looks like you have him on a good diet -just keep in mind that dogs can develop sensitivities to diets rather quickly, so you might consider staying with the brand you like and doing 1 bag salmon protien, the next bag venison, the next bag duck - and so on. Also, for dogs who have a systemic yeast problem, the carbs in the potatoes may feed the yeast! So it never hurts to switch the diet around in an extreme manner; I do this with my own dogs and now that they are accustomed to it I can hard switch from one diet to the next and no loose stools. If yours tend to loose stools with diet switches try feeding half the normal portion for the first 2-3 meals and then full portion thereafter.

Yeasty dogs may benefit from probiotics - you can buy all sorts of fancy ones, but my dogs LOVE sauerkraut! Loaded with many species of probiotic, as well as kefir. Additionally, enzymes may be helpful for your kidz - chewable papaya enzymes are inexpensive and the kidz think they are treats - not pills!

Replied by Nicole
Greenville Mi
10/23/2014

Hmm never tried sauerkraut with them. BUT my daughter says she gave him a pickle once and he ate it. On a funny note, Jasp loves spicy things but Wash does not.
Thank you for all your help and I will keep you updated.

Replied by Nicole
Greenville, Mi
11/03/2014

So update.. My collie is now stink free with just the water change to the baking soda. Have bathed him three times and on off days used a spray bottle to spray the formula on him and rub it in. Not seen improvement yet on the itching. May take a bit longer. Just wanted to let you know. Thanks.