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Mesh Removal Damage Has Left Friend in Serious Pain

Posted by B.D (Dublin) on 09/13/2022
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Hi beautiful Earth Clinic community,

A friend has a terribly unfortunate situation.

She had a little urinary incontinence. She opted for a vaginal mesh. It was quite painful for years and decided to get it removed. After this very delicate operation, she feels her life has no worth. The doctors were unsupportive, saying she imagined it. She is now left with stinging pain every day, old scar tissue (Which is apparently acting as a hammock to hold her pelvic muscle in place. I was thinking Serrapeptase could help, but this could be risky.

Every day, she suffers pain, she feels as if the entire operation damaged her reproductive area.

is there anyone out there with some advice?

would be greatly appreciated.

B

Replied by Vicki
Indiana
09/13/2022
2 posts

In her book 'Let's Get Well' Adele Davis wrote that natural vitamin E oil or d-alpha tocopherol (not synthetic dl-alpha tocopherol) was effective for getting rid of scar tissue when taken in larger amounts. Walmart sells only one natural Vit. E which is 670 mg. It is also good for strengthening muscle (i.e. the heart, cross eyes, babies who can not hold up their head well, etc.) Also manganese is helpful for muscles (like for myasthenia gravis). She also wrote that urinary incontinence is usually due to magnesium deficiency. It is also the answer to bedwetting. Calcium used to be used for pain management but I would use calcium lactate or calcium gluconate which are forms she recommended. She was a renowned nutritionist and biochemist back in the 50s. If you take calcium be sure to not take calcium carbonate and also take your calcium with cofactors for proper absorption like Vit D3, Vit. K2, boron (a tiny amt. read about it on Earth Clinic), and I would keep the calcium at 1/3 of whatever the magnesium intake is. Collagen, protein, Vit. C, and copper are helpful to connective tissue disorders so they might help heal the skin tissue. For amounts, I would do a little research on the web as I am not an expert. As far as the reproductive situation, red raspberry leaf tea, chaste berries, natural Vit. E, and evening primrose oil or any of the oils with GLA are helpful. I'm not sure if any of this might help, but it is what has come to my mind. I do a lot of reading on natural healing, it is one of my passions and after 50 years of doing so there are some things that I think of that might be of some use. I hope something here might help your friend and/or someone else. Best of luck...

Madelyn
Idaho
09/14/2022

Hi Vicki,

You mentioned cross eye in your post. I'm helping a little girl who was born with one eye that turns inward. My understanding was that it is due to her muscle that controls the eye being too tight, and thus pulling the eye toward the nose instead of allowing it to align with the other eye. The turning in is only intermittently, and not fixed. The condition is also known as strabismus, and it's not uncommon for those with it to switch eyes from time to time where one will look in the direction of the object they want to see, while the other will drift in another direction. When this particular girl switches to the eye that tends to pull inward, the other eye that is normally dominant/ doing the focusing ends up drifting upwards. But again, it's not constant. She sometimes has perfectly aligned eyes.

I am curious if your mention of the cross eye being an issue where muscles need to be strengthened was mentioned in Adele Davis's book. Or is it just an example your giving to illustrate conditions that need muscle strengthening.

Also, do you know what dose of vitamin E the author recommends? Any info is much appreciated! Thank you :)

Replied by Mama to Many
TN
09/13/2022

Dear B.D.,

I am so sorry about your friend.

If she could find a physical therapist that specializes in Pelvic Floor Physical therapy, she might find it to be very helpful. Pelvic surgeries can leave one with tight pelvic muscles that cause chronic pain. I had chronic pain from pelvic surgery and was astonished at the help my therapist was. It was life changing.

Marshmallow root herb capsules are also soothing for urinary pain. 4 capsules several times a day.

Red Raspberry Leaf tea is also toning to the urinary system.

I hope she finds some relief soon! I am glad she has you watching out for her.

~Mama to Many~

Replied by Mary
NY NY
09/13/2022

Infections can slow the healing process. Coconut oil, salt and garlic kill various types of bacterial, viral and fungal infections.

Here is a link to an article entitled Factors Affecting Wound Healing

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2903966/

Mitochondrial dysfunction has been definitively linked to virtually all killer diseases of aging like Alzheimer's disease, type 2 diabetes and heart failure. Researchers have recorded evidence of greater mitochondrial damage in the brain cells of humans over 70 compared to those in their early 40s. The health and function of these cellular energy generators is now considered so vital that many scientists believe mitochondrial longevity determines overall longevity in aging humans.

In a revolutionary advance, an essential coenzyme called pyrroloquinoline quinone or PQQ has been shown to induce mitochondrial biogenesis—the growth of new mitochondria in aging cells. While CoQ10 optimizes mitochondrial function, PQQ activates genes that govern mitochondrial reproduction, protection, and repair. PQQ also affords potent cardio protection and optimal defense against neuronal degeneration. Published studies show that 20 mg of PQQ plus 300 mg of CoQ10 may reverse age-related cognitive decline in aging humans. Here are links:

http://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2011/2/generate-fresh-mitochondria-with-pqq/page-02

http://doctormurray.com/pqq-the-next-nutrient-superstar/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1136652/pdf/biochemj00065-0028.pdf

Here is a list of nutrient dense foods:

Dried parsley: Calcium 1,140mg; Iron 22mg; Magnesium 400mg; Phosphorus 436mg; Potassium 2,683mg; Zinc 5.4mg; Vit C 125mg; Riboflavin 2.3mg; Niacin 9.9mg; Vit B6 .9mg; Vit B9 180 mcg; Vit A 1,939 IU; Vit E 8.9mg; Vit K 1,359mcg

Dried basil: Calcium 2,240mg; Iron 89mg; Magnesium 711mg; Phosphorus 274mg; Potassium 2,630mg; Zinc 7mg; Riboflavin 1.2mg; Niacin 4.9mg; Vit B6 1.3mg; Vit B9 310 mcg; Vit A 744 IU; Vit E 10.7mg; Vit K 1,714mcg

Dried cilantro: Calcium 1,246mg; Iron 42mg; Magnesium 694mg; Phosphorus 481mg; Potassium 4,466mg; Zinc 4.7mg; Vit C 566mg; Thiamin 1.2mg; Riboflavin 1.5mg; Niacin 10.7mg; Vit B9 274 mcg; Vit A 5,850 IU; Vit K 1,359mcg

Chicken liver: Vit A 13,328IU; Vit B2 2.3mg; Vit B5 8mg; Vit B9 578mcg: Vit B12 21mcg; Choline 326mg; Biotin 27-35mcg; Iron 12mg; Selenium 88mcg; Zinc 4mg

Sunflower seeds: Fiber 11g; Vit B1 1.4mg; Vit B5 7mg; Vit B6 1.3mg; Vit B9 230mcg; Vit E 35mg; Magnesium 325mg; Copper 1.8mg; Iron 6mg

Salmon: Protein 27g; Vit B2 .49mg; Vit B3 22mg; Vit B6 .94mg; Vit B12 4mcg; Biotin 4-5mcg; Vit D 670IU; Phosphorous 235mg

Pumpkin seeds: Fiber 18g; Protein 30g; Magnesium 592mg; Iron 8mg; Manganese 4mg; Zinc 7mg; Potassium 809mg

Peanut butter: Vit B3 16mg; Vit B6 2.2mg; Vit B9 144mcg; Iron 16mg; Boron; CoQ10 2.7mg; Potassium 818mg

Almonds: Fiber 13g, Vit B2 1.1mg; Vit E 23mg; Calcium 269mg, Magnesium 279mg; Potassium 733mg

Eggs: Vit B2 .51mg; Vit B5 1.6mg; Choline 317mg; Biotin 13-25mcg; Iodine 24mcg

Chicken breast: Protein 33g; Vit B3 13mg; Vit B6 1.1mg; Phosphorous 180mg

Sardines: Vit B12 8mcg; Vit D 193IU; Calcium 382mg; Phosphorous 420mg; CoQ10 .5-6.4mg

Hazelnuts or Filberts: Iron 4.7mg; Vit E 15mg; Folate 113mcg; Manganese 6 mg

Pistachio nuts: Vit B1 .87mg; Vit B6 1.1mg; CoQ10 2.0mg; Potassium 1007mg

Grapeseed oil: Linoleic acid, Vitamin E, CoQ10

Flaxseed, Chia seeds, Walnuts: α-Linolenic Acid

Spinach: Vit B9 194mcg; Vit K 482mcg; PQQ 21ng/g

Scotch kale raw: Vit C 130mg; Vit K 704mcg

Table salt: Sodium, Chloride, Iodine

Broccoli cooked: Vit C 65mg, Chromium 11mcg

Carrots: Vit A 16,000IU; PQQ16ng/g

Kiwi: Vit C 93mg, PQQ 27ng/g

Orange: Vit C 71mg

Sweet potato: Vit A 15,740IU; PQQ13ng/g

Chick peas: Manganese 21mg; Vit B9 172 mcg

Cod: Iodine 99mcg

Parmesan cheese: Calcium 1184mg

Cheddar cheese: Calcium 893mg

Avocado: Monounsaturated fat 30 grams

Kidney beans: Fiber 25 grams

Replied by Vicki
Indiana
09/24/2022
2 posts

Adelle Davis did specifically mention cross-eyed symptom as having been helped with vit. E. She did not give a dosage but the 670 mg. dosage of the natural vit. E at Walmart could be tried for a while to see if that improves the condition.

Madelyn
Idaho
09/26/2022

Thank you for the info, Vicki. Vitamin E is certainly worth trying, especially since it's harmless. Very much appreciate the reply!

Replied by Anne
CA
10/10/2022

Dr. Betsy Greenleaf was one of the speakers in a summit that I recently listened to. She might be somebody that you could research and also glean information from at her pelvic floor store website.
pelvicfloorstore.com

drbetsygreenleaf.com

Her podcast is called Some of Your Parts.

Replied by Lisa
HI
10/10/2022

Urine leaking is usually due to insulin too high. Keto diet or similar to cure that. Scaring is also often a bl sugar problem, Castor oil packs, I hour every day. KI, or some other form of Iodine also essential for proper healing. Naturally a total detox program and nutritional support is always essential for proper healing.

Replied by Lynde
Pretoria, South Africa
10/11/2022

BD I think you are on the right track concerning your friend's scar tissue and her bladder problem. Proteolytic enzymes definitely removes scar tissue included many other benefits. I would look at Serrapeptase, Nattokinase and definitely Lumbrokinase.

I also agree with Vicky from Indiana about Adéle Davis's book ‘Lets get Well' and her recommendations for your friend.

That book was my Bible when I was a kid.

Replied by Lynn G.
Penticton, BC
10/12/2022

Kiegels: I do 50 every day and no longer have incontinence. I am 72.

Also, CBC oil for pain.

Replied by Lyn
Mornington, Vic
10/23/2022

Scar removal with plasma treatment and cannabis oil for the pain.

Replied by Bj
Long Island NY
11/12/2022

Has your friend looked into vulvodynia, which is pain around the vaginal area? This can come from oxalates in the diet, causing calcium crystals in the area, and can be very painful. This can cause "imaginary pain". Might be worth a try.