You can try the castor pack, it won't hurt. Let us know if it works for you. Cayenne pepper in hot water does stop Afib, even if for a short while. Bentonite clay is an ingredient of Charconite, it also includes other ingredients for faster and gentle elimination.

Try the blackstrap molasses (a good source of potassium, MG and iron) and it definitely helped me! Also started supplementing hawthorne and taurine. I think it takes a few weeks, but the bs molasses worked almost immediately. Good luck.

To Joan (South Riding): I, too have started the BS Molasses with what seem to be good results for my 'afib'. I wonder what it is in that stuff??? I really hate the taste, though I drink it faithfully lately. I had started Hawthorn about a month ago. Don't know if that is helping too! Thanks for letting us know!

Thank you EC and everyone on the replies on Hawthorne.. I will def. try and find a low dose to start.. As far as the BSM do you drink it during the day? It has sugar so not sure about that.... I would think its the potassium and magnesium in it that helps..I do put some in my herbal teas ..

Bee: You can also purchase Hawthorn Tea Bags. I add 1 or 2 bags to a fresh brewed pot of coffee to be consumed over a period of several days; and sometimes take 2 Hawthorn caps w/ one Ginkgo Biloba and one Cayenne. Ginger & Cayenne in combination to the Hawthorn will produce a much more positive effect, But H on it's own is a great herb for Heart & Lung conditions.

As for the BSM, the high Iron content may be responsible, in part, for the heart benefit as a low-grade Iron deficiency will overwork the heart to get oxygen through the system.

I also take CoQ10 and Carnitine daily to improve heart function and help prevent heart attack or stroke.

As for your fear of taking Hawthorn, it seems a little disproportionate as there is a substantial safety record, so try throwing out a little fear and adding in a measure of confidence.

Hi Tim

Oh; I like the idea of the tea bags also... I might need some iron as you say because I am mostly vegetarian for many years and now as I age and am 60 that makes sense... I probably do not get enough iron...wow who would have thunk?? I do eat fish but that probably doesn't have iron in it. Not really into raisins all that much lol

Anyway; Yes I do take L Carnitine and COQ10 and Taurine everyday . I will def. start on the Hawthorne and maybe eliminate something I would think??

What is NAC?

thank you so much for your reply.. so appreciated..

Bee: Very glad to help and hope you are getting better. NAC is N-Acetyl Cysteine.

Being a vegetarian, occasional BSM is good mineral supplement but maybe even more nutritious and w/ lots of Iron is Liver. You can buy the dried Liver Extracts in tablet form from health food stores.

Timh, I started on the BSM 2 months ago and believe thats a keeper for Afib. I m wondering if it could also be the higher Potassium content, 700mg, along with the iron? I combine it with 300 mg of Mag for a balance. One time to get back to NSR, I consumed 3 bananas with loads of Mag/haw and converted in 4 hours.

Hwk: Thanks for posting your condition & remedy. Looks quite conclusive that mineral deficiency is very much involved in afib. Evidently the heart is very sensitive to even minor electrical disturbances w/ mineral deficiency a leading cause.

About the supplemental Magnesium, there are several Magnesium chelates and all have different effect in the body. There is Mag Sulfate, Mag Citrate, Mag Orotate, Mag Oxide, Mag Aspartate. One would need to include as many forms of Mag as possible for best benefit. Low Iodine and low thyroid can also cause heart irregularity.

Forgot to mention a much suggested by E.C. posters ---Magnesium Chloride.

Also, in the area of sports or athletic nutrition is the very important need for proper hydration and electrolyte balance which is usually in the category of acute during or after events. On-the-other-hand for most folks, the condition could be considered chronic especially in disease states or toxicity issues that cause imbalances. Hypertension is usually associated w/ water & sodium retention. The heart is sensitive to these imbalances which appears to be the reason people are getting good results from BSM use.

Here is two recipes to maintain electrolyte levels posted without permission from the site:

http://www.1vigor.com/article/electrolytes-hydration-athletic-performance/

Ingredients for Homemade Sports Drinks (1 liter):

? Pure organic fruit juice concentrate (200-240 ml or 8 oz)
? Water or Green Tea (to 1 liter)
? Salt (1/4 - 1/3 teaspoon)

Homemade Energy Electrolyte Gel:
? 7 tablespoons of honey)
? 1 teaspoons of blackstrap molasses*
? 1/8 tsp of table salt

As an amendment to this recipe I think it best to use Iodized Sea Salt rather than processed salt.

Supplemental Taurine and/or Calcium 2-AEP will enhance the passage of these electrolytes in & out of the cell membrane.

Timh, Thanks for that list. I'm not finding my Mag on that list, Malate and 2 Iv'e thought to add, Glycinate and Taurate. Gly seems to get high marks for most bio available. Taurate for heart health. Malate I seem to be able to hold quite well even during day time. Thoughts on these appreciated?

Tho I'm staying in NSR, I still feel the pausing, skips, flutter etc, daily mostly in the evening. I'm wondering if at some point, there will be cell regeneration or some electrical remodeling with supplements back to normal heart health.

Hwkmn05: I forgot to mention the Malate and Taurate form so it seems you are well on your way of understanding what's needed by mentioning them. Magnesium Malate holds well I suppose because it is used mainly for cellular energy in the Krebs Cycle, so it must be good for the heart as the heart is a major energy dependent organ. Also for heart energy are you taking CoQ10, Carnitine, Ribose?

Although I have read to the contrary, I periodically use a strong Magnet directly over my heart w/ good results. Magnet Therapy neutralizes the acid and bad positive energy (inflammation) which accumulates in the body. I would advise beginning w/ small, week magnets and gradually increase to stronger. Just a minute or two w/ a strong magnet once or twice monthly alleviates almost all heart pain I have. I have never read any info on magnets for heart therapy but I can testify to only beneficial results.

For expert and comprehensive heart health info I would recommend Dr Sinatra publications. I think he also has a YouTube channel.

One commonly overlooked heart remedy (which I do employ when needed) is Raw Heart Glandular. During times of extreme stress, the heart muscle tissue can be damaged and the secret is replacing or healing the damage w/ healthy cells not fibrotic tissue (scarring), thus Glandular Therapy.

Omega 3 Fatty Acids (EFA's) are also very important for heart health and healing be it anywhere in the body. Fish Oil + Selenium + Vit-E + CoQ10 is an awesome heart health combo.

Timh, thanks for the input. My basic regimen is Mag, Haw, COq Ubin, Taurine, DHA/EPA, Idodine, B12 Methyl, D3 winter only, Saw Palmetto, with Carnitine to get to NSR, and Rib rose used occasionally with rigorous exercise. Wondering if these should be taken daily? Selenium I have never taken, not sure what that is for?

Magnets are an interesting therapy. I have used with some success on muscle strains, so why not. Raw heart glandular I've never heard of.

Another therapy I use is Ice on my back, C1-4 with usually relief from palps.

But the most important thing to me is getting my body moving every day for 45-60 minutes.

Hwk.

Not sure you can say on here but can you please let me know what type of Hawthorn you take and how many miligrams? I know you can't mention companies on here but I can't seem to find anything without a lot of fillers and things..Not sure that matters . I have been to three health food stores.. Might try something online..

I also take COQ10 as the Ubinquinol is very pricey but I am looking into.... I do the magnesium citrate or the magnesium oil which I can get very easily.. I also do L carnitine..

Hwk.

Not sure you can say on here but can you please let me know what type of Hawthorn you take and how many miligrams? I know you can't mention companies on here but I can't seem to find anything without a lot of fillers and things..Not sure that matters . I have been to three health food stores.. Might try something online..

I also take COQ10 as the Ubinquinol is very pricey but I am looking into.... I do the magnesium citrate or the magnesium oil which I can get very easily.. I also do L carnitine..

Bee, Haw depends on the day, good day, 1/500mg at bedtime, bad day, 1500-3000mg all day. Jarrow is one. Coq is outrageously priced, but most likely worth every penny. I try to find ones without soy and lecithin. I don't use health stores very often for supplements and avoid the obvious major chains in the vitamin biz.

One area of concern in the irregular heart beat area is liver/gallbladder disease. I have had gallstones so bad that my heart was feeling about to explode as I was also doing hard work to make a living. Magnesium then CoQ10 got me thru until I did the gallbladder cleanse and then the heart problem gone. Also, the lack of bile flow from liver/gall disorders causes chronic acidosis; chronic acidosis causes mineral deficiency; all of which causes chronic fatigue.

Chronic fatigue is usually caused by parasite and/or pathogen infection.

As for the CoQ10, after taking capsules or softgels for yrs w/ minimal effect, I tried LET Glutathione + CoQ10 and boom. The power & effectiveness of this combination is way beyond standard supplement products. Some manufacturers are cashing in on this combination and marketing this combo for best results.

The gall of it all. Sorry. Theres always something, that one thing for us all. I read on another med site how one poster cured AF by chelation, which I don't fully understand how. It was a long and expensive process of months, at $105 per visit. He claims its been 5 years since last episode and had done absolutely nothing different. Drinks coffee and booze while eating whatever with no supplements. I guess we're all different.

HI U Hwkmn05,

DOES MN MEAN MINNESOTA....THOUGHT SO.

The gall of it all............have spent years in chelation and have no heart problems. All in my group had spent 1/4 to 1/2 million $ on stints and by-passes, etc. before chelation. Chelation is 30 treatments with a total cost of a little over $3 thou. Please explain your problem and I will try to answer from my experience.

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I know Hwk.. its always something... Although I don't have Afib I was getting palpitations and horrid side effects from weaning off the Metoprolol.. and that is why I am looking for ways to stop that .. Anyway; I have heard that chelation can do a number of things but like you I don't understand it.. It doesn't look quite that safe. Magnesium def. is my number one mineral and now the black strap molasses is helping.

I would def. like to try acupuncture but yeah; these things cost money .

Oh; I do believe I have gallbladder issues and I do use the ACV in apple juice and other things and its gotten better.

thank you all for sharing and EC ..

Robert, no, mn=man, I don't like vwls. Issue is Afib, but have self converted last few times and no episodes in a few months. I ve heard of chelation, but don't totally understand it.

Bee, I think now that Potassium levels may be just as important as the Mag. It may be a balance we need. That could be the reason for BSM working so well. Acu, I self converted once using that. I have a relative who is licensed at that, so it's cheap for me. I've used it for a few other issues with great success. Ice works well too, and very cheap :)

Hwk. thank You for your responses. I so appreciate it..

Well I thought I was getting enough potassium as I eat veggies and I notice a lot of foods contain a lot of potassium.. I don't want to be on overload but I read how meds depelete us from that.. I haven't had blood work up so I wouldn't know.. these days I try and stay away from doctors as much as I can.. Don't know how I would know these things but I have to say since taking Magnesium, COQ10, Taurine, L carnitine, and other things I feel a lot better. I did put a tablespoon of Molasses in tea last night but it didn't work as well as some days.. I just don't know..

Now If I can go to zero side effects with weaning off medication it would be great . It has gotten better but I still am a bit leery of it.

I am still looking into Hawthorn and am going to try the Hawthorn tea for now..

Bee, found this on here from a while ago.

Richard, I developed arrythmia issues last year and was put on 25 mg Toprol, which I have recently stopped taking (didn't like the side effects and slowly reduced the amount). I researched it and from this website learned that lactic acid can build up in all our muscles (including the heart).. And can cause the arrythmia. I believe that I had exercised so much, was eating yogurt (has lactic acid in it), and the combination of electrolytes being down, the lactic acid from both working out and the yogurt, could have contributed to the arrythmia.

I have recently read a book call The Magnesium Factor by Seelig and Rosanoff which has explained how most Americans are seriously low in magnesium. Since stopping the Toprol and reading the book, I take 1 tsp of magnesium powder before going to bed (I use a product called CALM I found in the health food store, not sure who makes it... ). I'm having a 48-hr halter monitor test Thursday and Friday this week (cardiologist was upset when I told them I gradually stopped the Toprol on my own... They say people don't usually go off it. I didn't want to stay on it for life! ). Not sure how old you are, but some of us remember Jim Fixx who got Americans running, and then up and died of a heart attack one day, which was pretty confusing to the masses. It could be that lactic acid & low levels of magnesium (an electrolyte) contributed to it. By the way, I also don't drink coffee and instead use a tablespoon of blackstrap molasses (has potassium) in hot water as a drink at work. Hope this helps...Anne