Natural Remedies

Painful Bladder Spasm With Catheter - Need Remedies for Husband

Posted by Anna (Philadelphia) on 11/03/2021

My husband was in the hospital with pneumonia 1/26-3/24 this year and he left it with a catheter (changed every month. Once he was without it for a few hours but could not urinate so they put it back). After cystoscopy, dr said it's enlarged prostate and wants to do TURP which we don't like and he started to supplements like beta-sitosterol for the prostate.

About 2 months ago he said he felt an urgency to void empty bladder so I thought it's an infection and gave him D-mannose which always worked for me. But it has grown more painful and he believes it is a bladder spasm. We can't find any natural remedy for it. Ginger, peppermint, fennel for IBS don't help much. Nor does Hyland's homeopathic remedy for LEG CRAMPS. We have ordered Cramp bark used for menstrual cramps but we are losing hope.

The best end result would be of course no catheter and no TURP but what to do about these spams? Does anyone know?

Replied by Mama to Many
TN
11/03/2021

Dear Anna,

I am so sorry. I have a couple of suggestions, based on my own experience.

A couple of years ago I had surgery for pelvic prolapse. While the prolapse issue was improved by it, I had bladder pain and urgency that grew worse and worse. I too, at first, thought I was dealing with bladder infections, but I was not.

Here are a few things to try:

First is marshmallow root. It is an herb, I buy Nature's Way capsules. It is very gentle and soothing. 4 of them at a time, several times a day.

There is an over the counter bladder analgesic that I would use when I needed to be able to leave the house and not need a restroom every 45 minutes.

Another thing to try is baking soda in water. 1/2 teaspoon in water.

Both of these things offered me temporary relief.

Then someone suggested I go to a physical therapist. It seemed a long shot but I was desperate. I went to a lady who is specially trained in pelvic floor physical therapy.

After two sessions with her and a new set of exercises, I was and still am (several months later) 95% better. It turns out that I had very tight pelvic floor muscles and should have been sent to physical therapy after my surgery. Better late than never.

Anyway, I believe that there are physical therapists (with a pelvic floor specialty) who work with men as well.

I hope you two are able to find a solution to make him more comfortable!

~Mama to Many~

Replied by Art
California
11/04/2021
2137 posts

Hi Anna,

Infections are common with extended use of a catheter and your husband's doctor should be well aware of this. These infections which can also be fungal in nature as well as bacterial or even viral can also form biofilms that help to protect the infection from the body's natural defense mechanisms as well as potent antibiotics, antifungals, and antivirals. Determining the type of pathogen that is causing the infection is very helpful in determining a path forward in terms of remedies. When a fungus such as Candida Albicans and a bacteria combine, they can create even tougher and thicker biofilms that are even harder to break down. Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE), has antibiofilm qualities as does NAC, Silver Nanoparticles (AgNPs), coconut oil (VCO) and xylitol. These supplements can be useful in breaking down the biofilms as well as the underlying pathogen(s). The AgNPs are not very effective because little gets to the bladder with the majority being excreted in the feces, but AgNPs are useful when inserting a new catheter to kill pathogens as the catheter is inserted. The GSE can be most helpful with fungal type infections. Again, not much literature for VCO and bladder issues. NAC is noted for passing through the UT and bladder. Xylitol also makes a certain percent available in the bladder.

So of this group, GSE, xylitol and NAC seem the most likely to be beneficial. NAC has been shown in studies to be used at 600 mg, 1200 mg and 1800 mg with minimal side effects. Above 1800 mg I have personally experienced significant gastric distress. GSE label dosing is generally one gram per day maximum with food, but on the internet, people report using double that dose and I have gone as high as 3 grams/day without issue. Xylitol I have used up to 15 grams per day, but usually start around 5 grams/day.

These three supplements have a very good safety profile.

Given the long standing nature of your husband's UT issues, I think there is a higher probability of the presence of biofilms.

Art

Replied by Donna
Houghton
11/17/2021

All I know is, I have Multiple Sclerosis, which leaves bladder issues, not to mention muscle spasms.

I use Wintergreen essential oil on muscle spasms. Or, at times Frankincense. Of course, those are on muscles..mainly my ankles.

And, the most I've been up at night to tinkle, is 18 times. IF I eat a medical marijuana edible, I'll sometimes sleep through the night, or only up once or twice. That might be an option??

Good luck...I hope you find relief fast...

Replied by Anna
PA
01/03/2023

Thank you for posts which I haven't read yet BUT I'M VERY GRATEFUL TO YOU. I have just found it! The same problem- BLADDER SPASMS and catheter. Nothing seems to help. He is losing hope and I feel awful bc I strongly believe that cures are already around here we just have to SEE them. Doctor gave him some drugs which don't help, have terrible side effect but he takes them anyway.
Whatever is your advice-I'll take it! Thanks for replies!

Nonnie
BC Canada
01/05/2023

Hi Anna -

My heart goes out to you. It's so difficult seeing a loved one in pain.

In addition to the helpful suggestions from Earth Clinic, if you do a search for bladder spasms with catheter, I'm sure you will find some more ideas.

Here are a few sites you might find interesting (they also include information about regular bladder spasms without a catheter so you may have to sift through):

https://www.bladderandbowel.org/bladder/catheter/catheter-problems/

https://www.healthybladderclub.com/what-causes-bladder-spasms-with-catheter/

https://www.healthybladderclub.com/how-to-relieve-bladder-spasms-with-catheter/

https://healthtalk.org/living-urinary-catheter/bladder-spasms

There must be a combination that will help your husband. Please tell him not to lose hope. I pray everything will work out for you both.

Take care,

Nonnie

Replied by Anna
Pennsylvania
01/03/2023

I have just read all your replies and I'm very grateful to you. The problem with treating someone is that I would know what is helping ME, and with him I'm just not sure. Pumpkin seed oil or corn silk or NAC -he noticed nothing--but I stopped few days ago and today it's spasm after spasm. AZO, over-the-counter drug, helps but its dye, then irritates his bladder.

Art
California
01/03/2023
2137 posts

Anna,

If he hasn't already tried magnesium glycinate orally along with topical magnesium chloride spray/mag oil spray applied to the affected area and massaged in, it may be worth a try to help relieve the spasms.

Here is a typical mag oil spray :

https://www.amazon.com/Magnesium-Oil-Spray-STRENGTH-Essential/dp/B01N0KQ9QJ/ref=sr_1_8?crid=2HIW7RVRNF9DX&keywords=mag+oil&qid=1672797712&sprefix=mag+oil,aps,154&sr=8-8

And here is a typical magnesium Glycinate product :

https://www.amazon.com/Innate-vitality-Magnesium-Glycinate-500mg/dp/B07K5WDLBG/ref=sr_1_5?crid=9ZBEM2QM13P8&keywords=magnesium+glycinate&qid=1672797849&sprefix=mag,aps,174&sr=8-5

Art

Replied by ANNA
PA
01/03/2023

He was taking NAC 2 x 600 mg but stopped (he takes abut 40 pills/day), but maybe I should start it again?

Never tried xylitol or GSE - maybe he should take something to break biofilms?i like VCO- but he has problems t at it. Would be best imo as it is also antimicrobial.
He also has silly problems with medicinal marijuana--prefers drugs with side effects!

Replied by ANNA
Pennsylvania
02/22/2023

Today is a second day with 1-2 very light spasms and I'm giving all the credit to marshmallow root - thank you MAMA TO MANY. Knock the wood--this works so far! Why did you say it is temporary? I am giving him 3 capsules, 3-4 times/day (the same brand). Amazing two days!

Mama to Many
TN
02/22/2023

Dear Anna,

I'm so happy to hear it's helping!!!

I say it's temporary because my experience was that I had success as long as I took it but it never seemed to cure it.
But Marshmallow root is safe for long term use as I understand and worth taking!

~Mama to Many~

Replied by ANNA
Pennsylvania
02/23/2023

Yes, I learned it today as we went out without it and my husband had his painful spasms again. Now he has taken it (hen he takes 3 caps when he feels the spasm is coming--i understand it helps calm the irritated bladder. And his bladder is irritated not only by infection but also by something as trivial as standing up=changing position) and is fine.
So far so good (but pills are his ONLY solution. No exercises...)

Still, I want to find a more permanent solution--- I will read the articles Nonnie sent. You are all so helpful!