Wife Has Very Painful Fibroid
My wife has been diagnosed with a big intramural fibroid and ovarian cyst in her right ovary, and her left ovary was not seen in ultrasonography. In the past she also had endometriosis-like symptoms.
We have started Apple Cider Vinegar with baking soda, Blackstrap Molasses, Beet, Carrot and Aloe Vera juice, as well as vitex, milk thistle and magnesium supplements. She is also taking Traditional Chinese Medicine herbal formula for dissolving stagnation of the blood. We are also doing castor oil packs frequently.
I am sure this treatment will work if we give it some time, but the problem is a very acute pain in her lower left abdomen, which makes her scream and cry. It only goes away with ibuprofen. We are lucky that for her body ibuprofen works for 10+ hours.
Do you know any natural painkillers? And what do you think causes the pain? I read that it might be fibroid degeneration, where the blood supply to a fibroid was cut off.
We are at loss what to do. The situation is urgent and the gynecologist will not see us until 2-6 weeks. The family doctor told us there is nothing to worry about and that we should redo the ultrasound next month...
San Fernando
03/01/2015
Hi Martin...Just a recommendation for you that could both safely get rid of your wife's pain and will also help to remove the fibroids.
You specifically say that your wife suffers endometriosis-like pains. Endometriosis and endometritis involve pain that is caused by inflammation of the uterus lining. You should therefore use DMSO(Dimethylsulfoxide) at a dilution of 50-50 with water. One teaspoon of DMSO is used per topical application per day. The DMSO should be mixed with 4 drops 5% Lugol's Iodine and 1/4 tspn MSM(methylsulfonymethane). Both DMSO and MSM are wonderful anti-inflammatores(reduces pain) and they both also act to kill bacteria. The iodine is specifically necessary to get rid of the fibroid and will also act to kill all manner of offending pathogens that might also be involved.
You should apply this DMSO mixture topically once a day on the skin area directly over the fibroids in the lower abdomen. DMSO will help to carry 80% of the MSM and Lugol's Iodine through the skin directly into the blood and from there it will specifically and beneficially act against the fibroids and the pain. After the DMSO etc has been absorbed then you should rub in a little aloe vera over the skin area to help re-hydrate the skin. Using DMSO and MSM are now recognized treatments for endometriosis, endometritis and interstitial cystitis in modern medicine today.
If you have never heard of DMSO or MSM before -- these natural products are very close cousins, both are derived from wood and are natural products. MSM is the oxidized form of DMSO and may be regarded as DMSO2. You can buy the DMSO and MSM from Dr Stanley Jacob's website. Dr Jacobs is the renowned guru researcher for DMSO and MSM use. So you should have a look at all the useful info and research on his website to help your own understanding of DMSO and MSM.
You should also have no problems topically using the above protocols together with the other natural remedies that you are currently taking. The only problems you might have depends on whether you can freely purchase DMSO in Canada by law. If you cannot purchase it freely yourself then try and get a prescription from your doctor. Perhaps the excuse that your wife has endometriosis-like symptoms might work with your doctor, since DMSO is a currently the only recognized treatment in modern medicine for endometriosis and interstitial cystitis.
I was also quite concerned that your wife has been taking ibuprofen for the pain, probably over the long term. Both DMSO and MSM should act to get rid of this abdominal pain fairly quickly and safely with no side-effects. However, I must also mention that it is well known that when ibuprofen is used at larger dose over the longer term then this can be quite toxic and damaging for the liver. See this link.
- England
10/11/2022
Ontario
03/03/2015
Bill, thank you very much. I could never figure it out myself. I am sure it will also be of use for future fibroid sufferers who browse through this thread, as this is the first post on the uterine pain management here, not including ibuprofen, which, as you say, might be harmful to the liver.
ACT
01/14/2022
Also, primrose oil, flaxseed oil and wheat germ oil are apparently helpful. Indian herb Shatavari too.
Irvine,
I am sorry for the delay in answering.
It will be worthwhile to make sure that your wife's vitamin D level is well into the reference range which her doctor can test. If she is not taking vitamin D, she should and her doctor can recommend a dose for her to start.
The following article and two studies may be of interest to your wife regarding fibroids and Berberine, a supplement with multiple positive health effects:
http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art301565.asp
Here is a relevant quote from the article and I highly recommend she read the very brief article :
' The researchers found that berberine markedly inhibited uterine fibroid cell proliferation causing cell death (apoptosis) and cell cycle arrest, and berberine was able to block cell proliferation triggered by estrogen and progesterone. The study came to the following conclusion:
"BBR (berberine) selectively inhibits cellular proliferation and blocks E2- and P4-induced cell proliferation in UtLM (uterine fibroid cells) but not in normal UtSMC (uterine smooth muscle) cells."
"In addition, BBR (berberine) did not demonstrate cytotoxicity effects in normal human UtSMCs"
"Our results suggest BBR (berberine) could be a potential therapeutic agent for the treatment of uterine leiomyoma (fibroids)."
These two links below are to the studies referenced in the article above.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27799459/
Here is a relevant quote from the study :
' When UF nude mice were killed at 7 weeks, tumor weight in controls was 45 ± 7 mg versus 20 ± 3 mg ( P < .05) in the low-dose (5 mg/kg) and 7 ± 3 mg ( P < .01) in the high-dose (10 mg/kg) BBR groups, respectively. Expression of proliferation markers, cell cycle-related genes, and UF-related genes was downregulated in tumors. No unusual behavioral changes and no signs of kidney or liver damage were observed in the animals with BBR treatment. In conclusion, our data suggests that (a) COX2 and PTTG1 are molecular targets for BBR and (b) BBR is potentially an effective and safe anti-UF agent. '
It is worth mentioning that when you convert the higher of the two mouse dosing levels from the study above which showed a very good effect, it translates to a relatively low human dose that is well below the dosing amount for Berberine when used for diabetes in humans, a dose that is generally well tolerated.
https://www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282(15)00047-3/fulltext
Here is an important quote from the study :
' BBR selectively inhibits cellular proliferation and blocks E2- and P4-induced cell proliferation in UtLM but not in normal UtSMC cells. In addition, BBR did not demonstrate cytotoxicity effects in normal human UtSMCs. Our results suggest BBR could be a potential therapeutic agent for the treatment of uterine leiomyoma. '
Art
- England
10/13/2022
Hello Art,
Thank you very much for your response. So would you say that 1 serving/ capsule per day should suffice?
You are right I know that I am low on vitamine D as I have symptoms of deficiency but will get some 20000iu tomorrow and start taking 2 at a time again.
My plan was starting this evening to mix dmso, MSN, land castor oil and spay it then wrap my belly with cling film and put a warm bottle on top but now that I have done this and reflected... Maybe the plastic could end up getting in my body from the cling film and plastic container I mooved my mixe into for better applicatio.....whatbar your thoughts on this?... So I have decided to do the same mix but replace castor oil with distilled water. I will mix castor oil with dmso and some Chinese herbs from my accupucturist another date and do a castor oils and clay pack on another day....
I should probably also mention that I have sle lupus that has contributed to renal failure and I am currently on dialysis but also doing acupuncture that has proved to be very helpful and the practitian has helped slightly loosened the fibroids.
Although I probably should sometime soon... I am not yet currently following any particular diet or taking drugs. By the way I am a female with a male name?
California
10/14/2022
Irvine,
I think I was confused by the title, but then I realized that you didn't originate the post so you did not give that title.
You've got a lot more going on than you originally mentioned in your previous post.
Berberine may be helpful for SLE also according to this study :
https://ard.bmj.com/content/80/Suppl_1/646.2
Berberine has also shown benefit for kidney disease that was caused by diabetes, but I didn't see a study for kidney disease caused by Lupus:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7393204/
Here is a relevant quote :
' Here, we have demonstrated that PGC‐1α is essential for the comprehensive regulation of energy homeostasis and might be a key target in the actions of berberine. Our present findings have revealed the important role of berberine in regulating kidney energy homeostasis and protecting glomerular podocytes from metabolic stress, and have identified berberine as a promising drug for the treatment of DKD, in the future. '
The kidney disease is the tough part and makes it hard to make suggestions because the wrong suggestion may worsen the kidney disease. Berberine looks possible, but you will have to run it by your doctors first to make sure it is safe for you and compatible with any meds you are taking. I'm not a doctor so I can not tell you a dose to take. If I was going to take berberine myself for myself, I would start at one capsule per day and see how I react to it.
It sounds like the Lupus is the cause of some of your issues, and that makes the vitamin D even more important, but again you should check with your doctor because of the kidney disease. In the following study in women with SLE it was shown that both melatonin and vitamin D are lower in the SLE group compared to healthy women :
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36125575/
Here is a quote from the study :
' Low levels of melatonin and 25-hydroxyvitamin D3 may be a factor in the unbalanced immune system of SLE. • Supplementation of melatonin and 25-hydroxyvitamin D3 may be recommended for women patients with SLE. '
In this next study they used a low dose of melatonin(10 mg) in women with SLE :
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33877728/
Here are some relevant quotes from the study :
' This study demonstrated affirmative effects of melatonin in decreasing oxidative stress in SLE patients without any effect on disease activity. '
' Dietary supplements, which decrease oxidative stress, would be useful in managing SLE. Melatonin is a potent antioxidant and has anti-inflammatory and immunomodulatory characteristics. Limited in vitro and animal studies are available indicating desirable effects of melatonin in preventing from SLE organ damage, thereby opening a new area of investigation that can contribute to using melatonin as a therapy or co-therapy for SLE. What's new Melatonin supplementation caused significant reduction in serum MDA compared with baseline and placebo group. '
Again, with melatonin you would need your doctor's approval and guidance.
It's just my opinion, but I feel that when you are actually trying to treat a disease with melatonin, 10 mg/day is simply not enough.
Lastly, this study suggests that melatonin may help prevent the damage that leads to kidney disease in animal models:
I recommend that you read the brief article that explains what melatonin does. It is a quick and easy read.
Regarding using cling wrap with MSM, DMSO and Castor oil, I do not think using DMSO with cling wrap is a good idea at all! DMSO is an organosulfur solvent and it is likely not a good idea to use it with cling wrap. I wouldn't do that on myself.
Art
